Hello magical friends, and welcome to episode 69 of WZRD Radio! I’m your hostwitch Bess, and today’s interview is with the magical Mia of NEWTs.
Before you get to hear about wrock life in Wales, I want to remind you that I have two giveaways on for WZRD’s third birthday. You can get the details on the pinned post on the website, which I’ll also link in this episode’s transcript, but you have two ways to win a pack of WZRD merch—donating to the LeakyCon Community Fund or filling out the giveaway form. I’ll be announcing the winners on April 1st, so you’ve got a couple weeks to take care of that. [link]
Here’s some music to keep you company while you enter those.
This is Kathryn Hoss and “Hermione Granger’s Not A Transphobe.”
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You just heard Kathryn Hoss and “Hermione Granger’s Not a Transphobe” [lyrics], “Students at Hogwarts” by Catchlove, and Losing Lara singing “Full Moon.”
I hope you finished that giveaway form! Here’s my interview with Mia of NEWTs.
And today I am talking with Mia from NEWTs.. Welcome to the show!
Mia: Hi! <laugh>
I am particularly excited about this because we’ve been talking a little bit off and on for like a year or two now through the Discord and TikTok and I have been excited to watch your music develop.
Mia: Yeah, I’ve been so excited to come on cuz I, um, released “Harry, My Son” as like a kind of like ghost track back in 2020. And, um, you messaged me to say, ‘can I put it on my podcast?’ And I was like, I was so excited to be sort of like engaged within that way about music that I’d made. So it was like a real treat when I found out I’d come on the podcast and talk to you. I was really excited about that, for the album coming out.
I remember, I think it was Geoff from Dream Quaffle that was like, Mia from NEWTs is at LeakyCon and I was like, <gasp>, she’s here!
Mia: I didn’t know that, like, people knew about the song or like anything like that. So it’s just, it’s just so amazing to be seen in this community of people that I think are making such amazing music and like have created something really great between them. Um, and it’s just something I’ve been like dabbling with and like one of the songs that I wrote I wrote maybe 10 years ago. And yeah, it’s just something that’s… something that I’ve been wanting to do for so long and just didn’t sit down and do it until a couple of years ago.
So I jumped ahead a bit there. But I do usually start these conversations with, um, learning more about your history with wizard rock.
Mia: So I got into wizard rock when I was about… 16, 17? I probably a little bit before because I’m nearly 30 now. Don’t tell anyone. Um, but uh, yeah, I, I was was listening to, I think it was… you know, when you, when all of the things like Potter Puppet Pals came out, like I was listening to that and found like Starkid and all of these people who were creating content about Harry Potter, but without the kind of… yeah, without, without it being official and like parody and going into more of that. And then, um, a friend of mine sent me—and I’d heard like a couple I’d heard like the song “Accio Love” which was probably the, the first rock song that I ever heard, um, and really liked that, but didn’t know much about the community. And then a friend of mine sent me a whole album by Oliver Boyd and when I was 17 or maybe I was just 18, I just started driving—so we don’t drive here till we’re 17. And um, I got it as a CD to put it in my car and I, I just listened to it everywhere. I listened to it over and over and over again and I, I fell in love with it and I still listened to Oliver Boyd’s albums all the time in my car. And that is kind of my history with it.
And I felt like, okay, a couple of years later I felt like “oh, maybe I’ll try and write one.” So I wrote one when I was in my first couple of years of university and then put it on YouTube because it was done at an open mic night. And um, I think I’ve told this story in the discord, but Lauren Fairweather commented on it and it said something like “oh wow, I love this,” or something like that. And I’d, I met her in 2013 just like as a meet and greet. Um, didn’t know that at that point that she’d commented on this video and saw it in 2020 <laugh> and was like “oh my god, if somebody like that can think that what I’ve made is actually worth listening to, then maybe I should just give this a go.” And that’s when I wrote the rest of the album. So that’s like a little 1 to 100 in my history of wizard rock. <laugh>
Pretty incredible that Lauren can inspire a decade later.
Mia: Yeah, yeah. I mean… yeah, I think she’s definitely, she’s got that power <laugh>
I always like to find out, strictly because I’m always curious, how you came up with your band name. We know that like the early bands are always “Character and the Characters.” Almost always. And lately it’s been more abstract. Where did NEWTs come from?
Mia: I think the, the idea of having the “Something and the Somethings” always to me felt like something you do as a band. Um, and I was very much just me and when I saw I, I felt more confident in my choice as NEWTs as I saw people like Bisexual Harry and um, Dream Quaffle. And when I saw that’s what they’d gone with, I was like “right, NEWTs is is totally fine.” But it first came to be because I had a Tumblr back in like 2013, 2014 Tumblr, lots of people were putting dashes in their names and I had, and I still have this Tumblr handler handle today and it’s what my band camp is, is like N-E-W-T- S and I thought it was really cool and it was only afterwards that I thought “oh, that, that’s kind of cool.” I mean we’ve got Newt Scamander, not that it’s anything to do with Newt Scamander, but it obviously works as a name. And I thought it was cute! The like visualization of a newt, so I went with it. Also in Harry Potter, the um… obviously the NEWTs. It’s, it’s about the NEWTs and that time in my life, maybe not for a lot of people, but A levels for me was a great time in my life when I was, you know, 16, 17. And it has a bit of a callback to when I first got into wizard rock. So I thought it was a great, yeah, it was a great like name for me. Perfect for me really.
It sounds perfect.
Mia: Thank you. <laugh>
You are in, was it Wales? Somewhere in the UK.
Mia: Yeah. So I’m based in Cardiff, so if you’ve ever watched Doctor Who or Torchwood, I am in Torchwood Town. That is, that is exactly me. I’ve lived here my whole life. So I am, I’m mixed heritage, so I’ve got an Indian dad and a Welsh mum, but, um, both born in Wales and yeah, very much a Welsh, a Welsh girl. And you know, Wales is on the map these days with Ryan Reynolds and Rob McElhenney with owning Wrexham Football. So if anyone knows about that, then. <laugh>
I am familiar with Torchwood, not so much with the football clubs.
Mia: It’s a, it’s a weird one, basically. Yeah, Rob McElhenney who wrote and does Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Ryan Reynolds, they bought a football team in North Wales. <laugh> And so we now get a lot of publicity about it, but perhaps that’s just a UK thing.<laugh>
That’s fun. Well I know John Green part owns, uh, a soccer team in the UK somewhere, so this must just be a trend.
Mia: Does he? That’s so interesting.
Pretty sure he owns part… Nerdfighters do some sponsoring there? But mostly I was curious: what is it like being into wizard rock in Wales?
Mia: Generally it’s hard. So I was talking to about it with, about it with my friend who is helping me make the album. Like they’re my kind of… like, I was listening to your podcast with Lauren and how she was saying that like, she gets other people to like record on it and I do it kind of differently. I kind of bring the song to him. Um, so it’s become a kind of band that’s not me cuz you know, I might… I’m writing the words but I, he’s all like I have and he’s not part of the fandom. So it’s been quite difficult being in, in Wales and being so removed from it all cuz we wish that we were talking today about how we wish we could just go on tour or go and meet up with people. But it costs a lot of money to obviously get to the states. That, that that would be the goal, really, would be to come and like tour with some people or get to play live. It’d be amazing. But I’m also kind of used to it cuz I’m somebody who’s… in the UK country music isn’t a thing either and I also really love country music, so I’m just kind of used to it at this point. <laugh>
I hear that a lot, that despite the UK being the literal birthplace of Harry Potter, the the fandom and wizard rock in particular is a lot more fragmented and isolated than it is here in the US where it’s just a big community that we can all get to comparatively easily.
Mia: Yeah, it’s a very, um… it’s very interesting cuz I, I’ve been like looking at, at lots of different aspects of the fandom recently and we definitely interact with it in a completely different way than the States.
Yeah… I don’t, i I don’t know why that is. I guess maybe it’s like for us it’s more ingrained, it’s really ingrained in the culture. You know, like you can’t go to a historical building or somewhere without someone saying “oh we film part of Harry Potter here.” Or like for me being in the film ministry myself, you know, there’s people I meet every day that worked on the Potters and so it’s like for a lot of us here, I think it’s a lot more ingrained into sort of a lifestyle <laugh> than it is a kind of, um, a community which I—maybe makes it slightly, slightly more fragmented cuz we’re, we’re not coming together to celebrate something, it’s just sort of something we see and then we move on.
That’s really interesting. I hadn’t thought about that way, but that makes sense. You mentioned liking country music, which feels like a very good lead in for the next question, which is: how would you describe your wizard rock style? Is it the same to any muggle music you do? Is it different?
Mia: I like to think that it’s, it—do you, do you know what, I think it’s probably most a bit more like Taylor Swifty <laugh>, to be honest. I think that was what, when I picked up a guitar at 13, 14 years old and had no idea how to play it—and I’ve still never had a lesson to this day—I, I just sort of that that’s what I was listening to,s o that’s what I was writing about. You know, a lot of it’s like four chord song or whatever. But I think I get a lot of inspiration from different people. So if I listen to a lot of country music, I think some of the songs on the album have come out a little bit more country and just, just because that’s sort of where my brain is at the time. But like I said, I listened to a lot of Oliver Boyd as well, so that’s, that’s had a massive influence. So it’s kind of, it’s kind of a, a mishmash of all those things, kind of singer-songwritey. Um, but I’d love to be able to do just different genres. Like if I could do a rap song, I would love it just for fun. It’d be so fun. But I, I would have no idea where to start with that. <laugh>,
You know, there’s some uh, really good wizard rockers you could collab with to make that happen.
Mia: Yeah, I definitely wanna look into, um, a lot more like collabs and stuff like that. I’ve just, um… I sent Bisexual Harry off a song to be on the compilation album for “Weird,” which is like still kind of in my style, but a bit slightly different than what I would normally write. So there is that as well. So I’m starting to get more into the community and trying to do these compilation albums and maybe like maybe the next album will be all collabs. Who knows. <laugh>
That would be awesome. I would love to hear that. My patrons were wondering, are there characters that you find you particularly easy to slip in their heads or are there some that you just, you can’t figure out their perspective but you try to write from anyway?
Mia: I was having a good think about this question because I’ve always… To begin with, I found it the most easy to write from Harry’s point of view. Cause I, I think lots of, Harry gets a lot of hate and he’s a, he’s a really interesting character cuz he’s so black and white about everything. Like this man has, has no nuance. He has, he hasn’t got a nuanced bone in his body. And I love that about him because it’s really easy to get into that space and just sort of feel like—especially, like the album coming out is called The Battle and a lot of what he went through in the seventh book, it really speaks to me. And, and that’s where I took a lot of inspiration from. But as I’ve gone on writing more and more songs, I really like writing the kind of maybe morally gray or just a little bit more nuanced characters.
Like there’s a song in there for Petunia who is, you know, like a, a terrible person. But I wanted to be able to, in this album specifically, I really wanted to be able to write from maybe a fanon perspective a lot of characters. So… yeah, like there’s a, there’s a lot of fanon that loves Petunia and where she came from and that’s kind of where I’m going with that song. There’s a song that I’m gonna play later, which is very much in a fanon Draco wheelhouse. So any of these characters that are like morally gray, might be somebody who I don’t agree with or I don’t like, have, have a, a great sense of, uh, joy about their character, but I love finding that part of them that is redeemable. <laugh> Which it isn’t always a great thing, but I just love a redeemable character. <laugh>
Now, to be fair to Harry, being morally black and white is a very adolescent perspective, I think.
Mia: Yes, I would agree with you there. Absolutely written from the perspective of a teenager. Um, I was saying earlier, me and my husband had been listening to the audio books read by Stephen Fry and we were going through the fifth book and he’d never experienced them from that perspective before and was just like “why, why is Harry so moody? He’s so moody all the time. Like, where is this angst coming from?” I was like “he’s just 15. Like, he’s just, he’s just being Harry.” <laugh> But I love that about him. I think he’s such a great character.
Yeah. Between, you know, the hormones of adolescence and you know, incredible trauma that is his existence. It makes a lot of sense.
Mia: Yeah, totally.
It might be annoying to deal with—
Mia: <laugh>
—but it makes sense.
Mia: Yeah. Do you know there’s a character I don’t have of one written from the perspective on that’s Ron. So I, I guess if I had to pick one that I found really hard to write from, it would be Ron because… I don’t, I I, he’s such a different person to me that character is ver-very, very different than, than how I see myself. But I’m I’ll, I’m working on it. I’ll get one out there at some point.
I have so much sympathy for Ron because part of being a teenager is making colossal mistakes and hurting feelings and figuring out how to be a better person. And, like, no one wants to admit that that’s part of just developing and being human. So it’s much easier to just be like “oh, Ron sucks!” than like “oh, Ron… oh no…”
Mia: <laugh>, Yeah, he’s just a kid. Yeah, he’s just a kid. And like, he’s like the antithesis of of Draco, which is like one of my favorite things about him. He’s like, got none of the stuff that everyone perceives you should have from the outside, but all of the stuff that you need to make you a good person inside, which Draco is like got the complete opposite and that it is just such a… he’s, he’s had a kind of lovely childhood Ron, which is, which is such a nice thing. I, he’s such a great character. It’s just when someone’s lovely, what do you, what do you say? Sometimes you need a bit of angst to get the, to get the music out there. <laugh>
I am fascinated by this concept of Draco and Ron as foils for each other. I need a much smarter podcast than mine to do an analysis of this. I love that.
Mia: I feel like I, I’ve, definitely not started something but maybe reawaken something, that some people are gonna be on AO3 tonight. <laugh>
I read a lot of Drarry though, so I’m I’m very much in that, I’m in that wheelhouse.
That is a popular one.
Mia: No, I just, I dunno what it is. I think sometimes the, like the…sometimes the writing’s just phenomenal. That’s what I found about Drarry, I think, when I got into fan fiction. I read a lot of, because I was a kid, you know, when I first got into it and I’m re–I was reading a lot of like Romione and like all of these like Harry/Ginny, like really, you know, like just canon compliant and, and it’s only been, it was only been like the last, when I got a little bit older that I was like actually Drarry writers, there’s some phenomenal writers that are now just authors <laugh> that have written Drarry and I probably need to branch out, but, damn, I’m a sucker for the trope, what can I say? <laugh>
No shame. They are excellent. Read what makes you happy.
Let’s have some music here. First up is “I Found a Loophole” by The Whomping Willows.
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That was “I Found a Loophole” by The Whomping Willows, “Growing Up Magic” by This is My Nightmare, and “Platform 9 ¾” by Weezard.
“I Found a Loophole” is dedicated to Dani by WZRD’s magical patron Geoff. They’re thanking Dani for being a friend and a perfect panelist pal at Literary Ink! Keep creating magic.”
Let’s get back to that interview.
What is it that draws you to wizard rock? What makes it fun?
Mia: Um, for me when I’m listening to wizard rock, it’s like, it’s a form of escapism listening to it, but writing it is probably my biggest form of escapism that I have. I think it’s, it’s one of the only creative outlets that I have left that I don’t associate with work. Like, I work in like an art environment with actors every day, with directors, all of that. And it’s, it’s the one of the few things, music is nothing to do with what I do in my daily life and it’s, it’s just drawn me in because it’s something that I already have an incredible wealth of knowledge about, is the Harry Potter universe. So being able to do what I love and write music, but about a subject that I don’t have to really think too hard about and, and I don’t have to awaken anything in myself. I’m using a character’s trauma that allows me the kind of escapism to be able to, to have a creative outlet but not have it be too deep <laugh>. If that makes sense.
I think so. A lot of people really enjoy the being able to play in the space to process things or to avoid things.
Mia: Yeah, I’ve that I’ve definitely used and called upon things that have happened to me in my life and experiences I’ve had to write wizard rock and that’s absolutely part of it. But then another day I might sit down and it might not make the album or it might not make it anywhere off the page or even out out of my living room, but I am just singing about the sorting hat or something, you know? And that’s the fact that we’ve got so much, so many different avenues that we can go down in the wizarding world, I think is my, my biggest thing about wizard rock. We have such a, a wealth of, uh, information at our fingertips to talk about and that’s why I think I’m drawn to it.
For other people who may be drawn to it as, I think you’ll have a really interesting respect on this is someone who’s been writing the music for a decade but only just now getting really involved in the community, what is your best recommendation for newcomers to wizard rock?
Mia: Well, I, I’ve heard a lot. I think the biggest one that I hear from everybody in this community is “just do it.” Just write it. And I hear that so often and that’s really inspired me. So I definitely think what that’s done is allowed me to feel like I’m on the right track. So when they’re like “do it,” I’m like “right, I just need to get this done.” But I also think it’s, it’s really important to just like I, if you enjoy it, just you don’t have to make it for anyone else. If you, if you wanna just make it for you, then that’s totally fine if you just wanna record it on your voice notes and then if you wanna join, I definitely recommend joining the, the Facebook group and the Discord. But everybody’s just so nice. You could just be like “oh well I’ve got this thing and I just, I’ve just, just a voice note. But if you wanna listen to it, that would be great.” And I think that that would give a lot of people confidence if they thought “oh, maybe there’s just one.” Or, or just lyrics just even writing down lyrics or a tune and just asking the other people in this like really good community what what they think of it is, is something that… Yeah, I think that’s what I would recommend. Just do it. But like in your own way. <laugh>
I’d like to promote two very good opportunities for newcomers what we’re talking about it, the “How Weird Can You Get” comp I believe is still accepting submissions through the end of this month. So if you’re like “I don’t know, it’s kinda weird…” This is for you.
Mia: Yeah, definitely get on that. I’ve done it. So you’ll be in good company and Bisexual Harry who’s running it, they’re fantastic. So just drop a line and see what you can do. Cuz I think with, with this particular compilation, like anything goes. <laugh>
And the second thing is that the Yes All Witches grant has extended their submission deadline to the end of this month as well. So if you’re like “oh, I really wish I had recording software or a better microphone or someone I could email at all hours of the day and be like, what does this button do and why am I doing it wrong?” Apply. It’s partly funded by this podcast and is truly an incredible resource that I strongly recommend you apply for.
Mia: That’s just such a good example of like the wonderfulness of this community. I didn’t realize that it was sponsored by, by your podcast. It’s just a, it’s a fantastic opportunity for, for anyone who wants to get into music. Like I said, I’ve got no background in music and it’s, yeah, just, just get, just get out there just, yeah, it’s fantastic.
Now my listeners know, I like to get some technical advice—
Mia: <laugh>
—on the best way to learn something new with the guitar, how you do your optimal recording, the trick you never knew you needed in the software, just whatever might give them that little extra boost.
Mia: So I’m, I was saying a bit earlier that I work with, um, a guy called David who goes by “Araby” online if you want to look him up, but he’s very technical. We went to university together and I was doing film and he was doing music. So as you can imagine, he has all the technical knowledge and I have none. So the the biggest advice that I can give you in a kind of technical way is I found it really, really useful, and this is probably super basic, but just laying down your ghost track and just making sure that you’ve got, that you’re kind of, you don’t have to be a hundred percent happy with something and then you can build around it and then you can build back on it and you can go back and you can redo that other layer. And like, that’s, that’s probably something that, that I’ve really learned with this, um, process is just being able to layer your music. And it’s fine to do it all in one take and just do it like a voice note, like I said. But if you want to layer it up, it can be a really useful tool in thinking “okay, I don’t have to be perfect this time around, then I’ll go back and do that, then I’ll go forward and do that. Okay, maybe I’ll come back and do the vocals or I’ll come back and do the guitar.” So that was my, my little technical thing that I learned throughout this process.
What’s a ghost track?
Mia: So the way it was explained to me, <laugh> is kind of, so we would play together. So, um, either I’d be playing the guitar and singing or he’d be playing the guitar and I’d be singing, um, you’d lay that down with a mic on the guitar and a mic, uh, on the voice and then you can build up from there. So then when I wasn’t there, he’d go back and he’d rerecord the guitar in a different way that he wanted to and maybe lay down some drums or whatever he wanted to do with it. And then next time I came in, I’d come in and I’d redo the vocals over the top of the new stuff that he’d laid down. And then it meant that you could do it however many times you wanted to.
All right. That makes sense.
Mia: Yeah, it was very, it was all a completely new process to me. <laugh>. Like I said, I’m so incredibly lucky to have him cuz I’m just sitting there in my living room with a guitar and my voice and that’s it. <laugh>
So should we give out his email address? Just get him flooded with advice as well?
Mia: Yes, absolutely. <laugh> No, I’m trying to get him more involved in the community cuz it’s, it’s like, it’s really not his, like it’s not his fandom, you know, he’s got, um, like D&D and he does like a lot of theater and he has all all of these wonderful things that I’m trying to say “you know, LeakyCon is changing and like filk music and there’s, there’s so much of it to go around. So I think we’re gonna work a little bit more collaboratively after this album to try and try and make, make something more together and make something a bit different. But it’s just great to have somebody who’s like a fellow lover of music in my sort of circle of friends.
We’ve been hinting at this a lot, but what are you working on?
Mia: So the album is coming out, it’s called The Battle and it’s had a few pushbacks because I’ve had a couple of health problems this last year. I’ve had a severely bad year for health, but it is gonna come out now on the 7th of April, which I believe is a BandCamp Friday. So that is on purpose, but I also want to say that it will be coming out on sort of Spotify and all of the other, um, like iTunes and all of that, just so it’s a little bit more maybe accessible if you don’t wanna download it from a BandCamp perspective. And I also kind of want it to be, it’s gonna be free on BandCamp as well, but with like a donation if you want to, but I’m totally <laugh>… It’s, it’s not about that for me. I just wanna get it out there to be honest. I’m so excited for it to come out and it should have been out in March, but we’re gonna go with that Friday, which is April the seventh.
I look forward to it.
Mia: Thank you.
So do you have, like, plans immediately after for the next thing? Or are you gonna rest a while on those laurels?
Mia: So there’s, I think I sent you the, and a couple of people, some songs that were, um, kind of not ready yet, but just to get like a kind of vibe of what people thought of them. And there’s two that were on there that I’ve decided not to release as part of this album because I want them to be just singles like later on down the line, maybe in a couple of months. Um, so that, that’ll just be something there. But I just really want, I think maybe I’ll always be writing wizard rock. I’ll just like, as soon as I put one down, like I I, we said that we’d finished this album, um, and we were like, we started to record it and then I wrote two more songs and they’ve gone into the album and they’re now like, probably my two favorite songs on the album, which are ‘Seventh Favorite Weasley Child” um, and “The Boy Who Saved.”
And “Seventh Favorite Weasley Child” came about because I went to LeakyCon Denver, um, and saw Chris again, uh, after a number of years we’d worked together a long time ago and um, saw him again and we caught up and I was just like, and he said something like on the stage he said something like “oh, it’s, it’s everybody’s seventh favorite Weasley child.” And I was just so incredibly inspired by that one line that I wrote an entire song around it <laugh>. So, um, when it’s out I’ll probably have to send that to him. But, um, yeah, just, just maybe a couple of months of not recording anything but just singing in my living room? And we’ll see how, um, how Chicago goes cuz it’ll be really nice to just see everyone.
It’s time for our final music break. Here’s MC Kreacher and “Don’t Touch That!”
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That was “Don’t Touch That!” by MC Kreacher [lyrics], Room of Whateva and “Come or Go” [lyrics], and The Cruciatus Curse with “Slytherock.”
Here’s the final bit of my chat with Mia.
Thank you so much for talking with me today. It’s been really fun hearing a little bit more about your process and your journey.
Mia: Thank you for having me.
Where can WZRD listeners find you online?
Mia: So I’ve got, um, Instagram, TikTok and, like, Bandcamp and Spotify. The thing is, they’re all a little bit different because they, some, some things allow you to have, have, um, like dashes. Some allow you to have underscores. So on Instagram <laugh>, I’m wrock_newts. And then on TikTok, _NEWTS <laugh> and then on BandCamp, because it doesn’t allow you to have underscores. I am N-E-W-T-S.bandcamp.com, which I believe is still my Tumblr, not that I’ve been on it in a very long time. <laugh>, um, and NEWTs on, um, Spotify as well.
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And now, here’s NEWTs!
Mia: This song is called “Mother Forgive Me” and it is a song from Draco’s perspective. And let me just say, this is my love for fanon Draco… I have to tell this little bit of the story, because there is a point in it where the words are “So I throw my wand and pray/again today he’ll save the day.” I don’t know if anyone remembers this ,but there was like a deleted scenes part of the last film where they had him and I think he was, like, throwing his wand to Harry and I love that. I really love that and I wish they’d kept it in so, do you know what? It’s in my song. And this is my little ode to Draco.