Episode 67: The Hinky Punks

Hello magical friends, especially Lan and John, WZRD’s newest patrons, whose support lets me do these interview episodes!

I’m your hostwitch Bess and today I got to have a lovely chat with someone who’s seen the whole spectrum of wizard rock—and apparently made a fair bit of it!

Today’s guest is Patrick of The Hinky Punks.

Before we dig into the history of the Hinky Punks, I’ve curated a lovely collection of music for you, beginning with “Harry Potter’s Got A Firebolt” By Emeric Switch.

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That was “Harry Potter’s Got a Firebolt” by Emeric Switch, Totally Knuts singing “Cobblestones” [lyrics], and “My Boyfriend is a Death Eater” by The House of Black.

Let’s get to that interview!

Welcome to the show, Patrick of the Hinky Punks. I am so stoked to talk with you today.

Patrick: Likewise. I’m very excited to be here.

This has been a long time coming because we’ve been collaborating on the ‘Pedia and chatting in the Discord, but I actually don’t know your history with wizard rock. When did you get started in this community?

Patrick: It was either late 2006 or 20… early 2007. It was pretty early on in the wizard rock, uh, scene. I got really excited when I heard about the Harry and the Potters and the Draco and the Malfoys, and there wasn’t a lot of other bands. I remember Weezard was a, was one that I particularly liked, but he was already defunct by the time… You know, and I was heavily into the books at the time, and it was just something so exciting and fun and something you could do without a lot of effort. <laugh> Um, you can just do some, some acoustic songs and everyone loved it, you know, it wasn’t, had to be, didn’t have to be real heavily produced at first, and it was just something that you can just have fun with. And everyone got really excited. The community just grew like wildfire and it was just so intense and so fun, and everyone was so loving and, and, and caring and giving, and it was just something really profound at that point in, in my life that really honed in— just something… all my passions for, for my music at that time, just kind of centralized it into one aspect of what I wanted to do, which was wizard rock.

So Weezard was your, uh, inspiration band. Was that the first one that you heard?

Patrick: No, Harry and Potters was definitely the first song. I remember just hearing it and saying “this is awesome. This is fun,” you know? And being a diehard Harry Potter fan, I, I just immediately connected with it and We— I thought Weezerd just had a, a cool sound, you know? I didn’t really write my music off them or anything. I just, it just got me more, uh, wanting to make music, um, and Draco and the Malfoys as well, just, and, you know, the whole play on, on the, the words of the band and the puns and everything. It was something that I was into at the time. I thought that was gonna be really fun. So I just wanted to get started right away.

And have you always been a solo act or have there been others in the Hinky Punks with you?

Patrick: Uh, my sister has recorded some songs. You, you can hear her on “A Mother’s Message,” um, and a couple other songs she’s on as well. Um, and she’s a beautiful voice, way better than mine, and she was be, she’d be down to do any more, uh, songs and it just hasn’t really connected being, you know, far away from each other. But, um, she’s, she’s been in on it, but mostly, yeah, it’s just solo.

So why then the Hinky Punks? Why are you not a solo Hinky Punk?

Patrick: I was always into punk music. Um, when I was young, that was my roots. And then, you know, it kind of grew from there. But I honestly, when I came up with that name, I was literally in a retail store, um, just like thinking, racking my brain “what could I be called myself? What would be funny?” And it literally just came right into my head “the Hinky Punks.” And I thought it was clever. I thought it was fun. I thought it was something that would also fit the style of music that I wanted to play and the kind of, um, attitude that I wanted to have at that time. So I thought it fit perfectly and, and from there, I, I knew that was gonna be the name I knew I didn’t wanna change it. I knew that I wasn’t going to change it, and that was it.

That’s pretty cool. So you never even considered other things, the Erumpents or…

Patrick: Nope. That name… I mean, it just literally just slammed into my brain and I was like “That’s it. I’m not going to have any other name.” You know, I did some side projects, like, like I did The Dudley Dursleys, which was like a little type of rap. And I did, uh… there was The Potter Addiction, which I had a, a song or two for that. I don’t even know if I have those songs anymore, which was pretty cool. Um, I had some other little side things that I did, but yeah, Hinky Punks has always been my main focus and my main, uh, project.

That’s so fun. I have some Dudley Dursleys music.

Patrick: Yeah.

I never would’ve connected that.

Patrick: Yeah, it was different. <laugh>

So why didn’t you just do all of those as Hinky Punks? Was it you wanted to keep the style separate?

Patrick: I don’t know. I, yeah, I think mostly style. I, I remember writing that one riff for the, the Dudley Dursleys song, and I was like “sounds more like rap, like old, um, eighties rap” you know? I was like “I can’t put this in in the Hinky Punks album” you know, or, or catalog. So, um, I just had some fun with it and made the Dudley Dursleys and that, in that time it was, you know, when, when MySpace was big and what’s where wizard rock existed, it was so easy to make another page, connect it, make it one of my top five or top eight friends and people could easily attach onto it and see it and, and get discovered really quickly. So it was just a also another way to grow your brand or or your name through multiple different projects.

So the Hinky Punks is the only one that’s continued from that time.

Patrick: Correct. Oh, I also had the Broom Closet Diaries with, uh, the Parselmouths, uh, that we did. But that has not continued, obviously. Um, yeah, Hinky Punks is the only one that exists. And and honestly, I don’t know if I’m skipping ahead, but, um, it didn’t exist for a long time. I took a hiatus for, for quite some time. I missed the whole transition from MySpace to Twitter. Um, and that’s really why I don’t have any Twitter following is because I didn’t jump on board when that was all, uh, becoming the transition when MySpace was fading. Facebook didn’t really catch on in the, in the wizard rock space and it was all went to Twitter and I just kind of let it go. I, I did put my music on some streaming, uh, services so that people could still find it. I always gave my music away for free.

Um, I had my, the Hinky Punks page with a forum that people can go onto… that people could go onto. It’s not in existence anymore, unfortunately. Um, and just download all my, my music. I never really wanted to make money off of it or anything. I just wanted people to hear it. That made me more happy than any type of money that I could make from it. Cuz I just, I love when people would listen and, and, and come and, and hang out. And I thought it was just a way better experience doing that versus “hey, here’s me music, buy it and so I can make more music.” No, just listen and have fun.

That’s so cool. And I think very fundamental to wizard rock, where it’s more about the community than about the commercializing.

Patrick: Correct.

Do you think you could give a full list of all of your wrock projects because you’ve named like four or five now?

Patrick: Um, I think I did. I’ve done some with Cruciatus Curse, but mostly it was under his name. I don’t think we’ve done anything like under a separate band. I think we were thinking about it. Was there anything else? I don’t think so. You know, I I, my band got, The Hinky Punks got pretty, pretty big in the scene. We were pretty well known, or I should say I was pretty well known, um, right at first, but never the top tier, you know, I was more like two tier where people knew who I was, but I wasn’t… I didn’t tour. That was the really hard thing was I was out in the west. Most of it was out in the East Coast. There was no one to really tour with. There was no one, there was really no way to get it going. You know, I was at a point in my life where I couldn’t just tour either.

You know, I had a job in, in, in things that I had had responsibilities. So that’s just kind of how it went. So without the touring aspect, it’s really hard to gain a, a, a true core following. And, and I do have some fans that reach out and say “Hey, we want more music. Hey, we want… we love your music. Hey, when are you gonna play a show? Hey, when are you gonna do this? When are you gonna do that?” And you know, it’s always say “you know, when I have time I’m going to do something pretty cool.” But, you know, at this point it’s just, it’s really hard to hone down a time to, to set enough time for the Hinky Punks to ever really wanna do something big like that.

On a slightly smaller scale than the Hinky Punks world tour.

Patrick: Mm-hmm. <affirmative>

I would love to learn more about how your music happens, cuz we were talking a little bit before we started recording about how there’s like two schools of music, one where it’s very overtly Harry Potter. “I’m Harry singing about Ron” or, uh, the Moaning Myrtles, you know, it’s in the bathroom wrock—

Patrick: Sure.

—versus like the Hinky Punks or Creevey Crisis where it’s a little more ambiguous.

Patrick: Yeah. You know, and I do have the hit you in the head Harry Potter songs where you know it’s about Harry Potter. I do have those. And, and a lot of those I still love. “Redheaded Love Slave?” I, I can’t get enough of that song. I love it, you know, and, um, “Fleur Floored Me,” you know, those songs are staples, I think in my catalog, but even more and more so to the newer songs. Um… I want people to listen and, and kind of feel the emotion of the words, what they mean, and let them kind of put it in their place, what they think it it resonates to. You know, someone mentioned in the last, um, uh, show that I did online, uh, about “I Can’t Breathe.” Like, uh, “Does that have to do with Sirius?” I’m like “Sure.” If that’s what you think it means to you, that’s what it means to you.

If you think it means totally different then, than that’s great. What I see it as is Harry Potter was a troubled soul. I mean, look what he had to deal with his whole childhood. You know, you don’t come out of that without scars. They might not be the ones that you can see on your forehead, but they’re the ones that you see in your heart. And those are the types of things that I wanna write about. I wanna write about those, those inner feelings that aren’t always shown. I wanna write about the things that are, are a little bit ambiguous because, you know, Harry doesn’t always know what he’s doing. And he, he does have obstacles, he does have trials, he does have tribulations, and I wanna sing about that. I wanna sing something that’s gonna truly strike a chord, pardon the pun, to the people’s heartstrings so that they can feel something that’s, you know, outside themselves or maybe something that they’ve gone through or something that they can relate to. You know, everyone has a different past. Everyone has a different life and a style. Everyone has a different way of living. And I wanna connect to all those different points so that we can bring people together.

That’s pretty ambitious.

Patrick: Yeah. You know, I think that’s what music should be. You know? I, you could always play it safe. You could always do the things that, you know will sell… But, and you know, maybe I haven’t gotten any new fans off of my new music, but it’s something that I, I like making and it’s something that I enjoy doing.

So more current Hinky Punks is less about telling a story than processing something through the lens of Harry Potter?

Patrick: Uh, correct. That’s, that’s a perfect way of saying it. You know, I, I I think it’s a vital point to really kind of dissect what Harry’s going through. Like yeah, you know he has to fight dark wizards, you know he has to do this and find horcruxes, but, but what is he feeling through those? There’s those, there’s those things that you don’t see in the book. There’s those moments that aren’t told. You know, what are those moments? What, what is he constantly thinking? What is he constantly going through? What are the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of minutes that haven’t been told? You know, those are the kinds of things that I wanna escape to and, and kind of tell, make a new story of it. And maybe it’s, maybe it’s a—my own version, you know? Um, maybe it’s, it’s, it’s the story that I wanna see or the progression that I wanna see Harry go through, you know? Or maybe it’s my way of living myself through Harry Potter so that I can one day become the hero. You know? It, it’s, it’s just how, it’s the journey and the way that I like to write is, is, you know, obviously there’s metaphors. Obviously there’s, there’s, um… I I really like lyric based, you know, songs that focus on the lyrics and I do the best with my instruments, but I really truly wanna, you know, speak to people, uh, in a way that connects to them.

Now, you said you’ve never gone on tour, but my patrons were wondering what is the most unexpected thing that’s ever happened during a rock show? Maybe you were performing, maybe you were ah, a audience member?

Patrick: Well, there was the, the mishap of the, I think there was the Yule Ball when it was all online. Uh, I went to go, uh, livestream, I <laugh> and, uh, everything said I was live. Everything said it was going, I was playing, it said it was live, but no one could get in. And it was just, uh, a big fiasco. Um, luckily they were nice enough to let me go on last and, and get it all fixed. And it’s funny cause I, I, I’m a director of I.T. for my, my job <laugh>, and we didn’t get that fixed, but that was probably, you know…

I have played a couple live shows and they went okay. I, I was added to one. I played with Tonks and the Aurors, um, it was supposed to be Justin Fletch-Finchley, uh, Justin Fletch-Finchley. And, uh, he dropped out, um, of the Vegas show and I happened to be in Vegas. I was like “Hey, I’ll, I’ll come perform.” And she’s like “yes!” Um, so that was fun. We had a good time. I think I had the recording of that. She sent, she sent me the recording.

That’s so cool. Do you have a YouTube channel or anything you put these things on?

Patrick: Nope. I, I think Hinky Punks does have a YouTube channel and I think there is a video of like my f… a promo of my first album that’s still on there. If someone wants to go find that. Might, might be fun.

So how did you handle it when these expected thi… this like the, the tech malfunction?

Patrick: Well, that’s the thing, that’s the thing. Um, you know, I used OBS, I don’t know if a lot of people know what that is. OBS is just a, a software that you can connect Facebook live to and then plug all your different, um, adapters and guitars and everything and it’ll play through it. And I had a green screen, you know? I had the, the cool backdrop and everything, um, and everything said it was was fine. Um, and then I started getting texts like “Hey,” and well, what I saw, so no one was coming in, I was like “wow, I’m really not that popular” <laugh>. But no, it was the mere fact that I started getting texts saying “Hey, uh, are you going live? Are you going live?” I’m like “I am live. I am live.” And like “no you’re not. No you’re not.” I’m like “but I am, I am.” Um, but we were able to get it. I was able to, uh, shut it down. I was able to retest and understand what the re— I don’t even remember what the issue was. It was something on Facebook’s end. Probably API wasn’t working or something, and got that fixed and went live… I think it was around 10:00 PM and yeah, it worked out.

You sound very cool and collected. I would’ve panicked.

Patrick: Yeah. That— I’m known for, for my patience. I’m known for my, uh, calm demeanor. Like, it annoys people at my, my job. Like when, when all the systems are offline and, and nothing’s working, and they’re like “well, what’s going on?” I’m like “Hey, it’s okay. We got this” and it gets fixed. And they’re like “oh, how’d do you do that?” I’m like “it’s what you gotta do” <laugh>. You know, it’s just something I’ve always been able to do. You know, I have a lot of other flaws, but that’s one thing that I can hold my hat on, is that I have a little bit of patience and, and, uh, and calm about myself.

A handy person to have around.

Patrick: Yes. Sometimes.

This seems like a good spot for some music. Let’s start with Hallows and Horcruxes with “Ron and Hermione.”

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That was “Ron and Hermione” by Hallows and Horcruxes, “I Am Not A Horcrux” by Bisexual Harry [lyrics], “We Are the Marauders” by Alaina, and “Giant Squid Fangirl” by Pygmy Puff Invasion!

“I Am Not A Horcrux” was a special request by my dear patron Geoff who sends congratulations to the hosts of the Three Boomsticks Podcast on the launching of your new show!

You’ve talked about a few collabs that the Hanky Punks have done. What wizard rocker would you most love to create a song or an album or something with?

Patrick: Um, there’s a few. How Airplanes Fly, always been a fan of theirs. Um, I would love to finish off the, uh, the Broom Closet Diaries with the Parselmouths if, if they’d ever want to do that or be willing to do that. I, we already had the, it’s funny, I think we had the second song written. And it was the time, oh, what was that band? The Mystery of Magic had come out and it was all like electronic and everyone was using, like, Fruity Loops for everything and it was just so like, produced and, and ready and I think they wanted something like that. I was like “nah, I like my guitar.” You know? So it was just kind of like a “well, I don’t think we’re gonna get this done,” type of thing. And we had, I, I think Kristina wrote the lyrics and they were really good and I was, it was my job to write a song to it, so I guess I just dropped the ball and didn’t find something that that worked out. But it might be fun finishing that up.

And they were West Coasters as well, right? Seattle?

Patrick: Yeah.

So thinking about Avery, How Airplanes Fly, do you have like a, a theme or music in mind for what you would do with him? Or is it just “this would be so cool to put our brains together?”

Patrick: Yeah, you know, collaboration I think starts at step one. You know, and, and sometimes you just throw a riff back and forth. Sometimes you write a riff and I’ll, you know, write a melody to it or vice versa, or “Hey, I got a guitar part, will you sing?” you know, it’s… Cruciatus Curse. He had, if I remember, he had like a whole directory full of just songs finished and he’s like “Hey, go pick a song and write some lyrics to it.” And, you know, that was kind of cool, you know, and I, I think I did that a couple times and you know, it was just something… and that’s his, that was his collab method, you know. And um, you know, I just think it depends on the, the band and the person and, and the styles, uh, what you would do. Uh, I don’t know if How Airplane Fly and my music would mesh well together, but you never know. It might.

So as someone who has seen the very early days of wizard rock and the latest evolutions of our community, for people who are just joining now, who are just starting to make their music, what is your best advice?

Patrick: Just be yourself. You know, do what you like. Don’t try to write your music to fit a specific, you know, genre or a group. Just write something that you like. Write something that’s profound to you in a way that is comfortable to you. And just… make yourself happy doing it. If you make yourself happy doing it, it’s gonna be a good song. You’re gonna have fun. If you’re not having fun doing it, then why do it?

And since we’ve got a techy person on the call, uh, what sort of software/technology/cable/recording advice would you offer?

Patrick: Um, depending on what kind of… I mean, you could do anything with a keyboard these days, you know, you can make all sorts of sounds, you can… But if you have a guitar, obviously you wanna get an audio interface, um, so that you can plug your guitar into the audio interface, then into your computer.

Find a good recording program that you can control cuz you know, it can get pretty, uh, extensive inside those recording, that recording software. So you don’t want something too, you know. There, there’s a good one, um, Audacity, which is very, uh, low key and, uh, easy to use. And just start with that and then build upon, uh… and YouTube exists. So any type of, uh, something that you wanna learn, just go to YouTube and, and you’ll be a pro at no time

Can confirm. I love Audacity.

Patrick: There you go. <laugh>

I know two buttons on it, that’s all I need.

Patrick: That’s all you need.

And, uh, I’ve got three years of podcast to prove that it can be done.

Patrick: Done. Yep. Perfect.

Do you edit your music at all once it’s recorded or do you just send it off?

Patrick: It’s kind of changed since the beginning. When I, uh, first started, I’d get the song done, I’d write a song in like literally an hour and it was already on my MySpace and bam! The last song I did, it was for which… it was the, the Wizard Rock Compilation, but not the last, I didn’t participate in the last one. It was the one before that. I actually wrote that really quickly, like in a couple hours. And I knew I didn’t have much time cause I was like, Deadline Day. Um, and that one turned out okay. I go listened back and listen to it like “okay, there’s that, there’s this, it needs to be changed. Then… okay, that, that’s annoying,” but you know what, what can you do? I, I’ll hear the flaws more than most people will. That’s, that’s the great thing about what, you don’t have to take it too seriously. It’s not like, um, I have a recording contract or anything. You know, I, I just hope it’s fun for other people finding a new Hinky Punks song every here, here and there, you know.

So there’s no, like, one thing you would recommend if they just wanna make their music just a little bit more polished or accessible or…

Patrick: That’s all in your equipment, you know, what you’re recording with. Um, is your guitar tuned? Um, do you have, you know, how powerful is your computer? Because I mean, if you’re processing track after track after track, you know, and it slows down your computer, it’s gonna be hard to create something really polished. Honestly, I, I do the recording parts really well. The, the editing I could probably, you know, brush up on and, uh, get better if I took the time to, to do it.

I’m a man of hobbies. I really am. And I, I feel the itch lately with music. Like it’s coming back. Like “I need to write something, I need to write something, I need to write something.” And it takes me a while to go and just set up my computer with all my equipment, set up my drums, set up everything and, and go.

But once I do it, I’m in it. Like, it, it’s great. But getting to that point sometimes is a little daunting cuz I, I know that… I, I don’t come any with anything like already pre-written. I don’t come anything with like a, a riff. Like I do it all from scratch. That’s how I’ve always done my music is “okay, does this sound good? Do I like this? No.” And I, I probably have like another 30-40 like intros that I’ve done somewhere that I’ve never finished because I, I didn’t like how it sounded or I just… it didn’t, it didn’t click with me. But yeah, I’ll usually write a riff and start off that and then I’ll write… whether I do like a, a melody or, or some solos or something with guitar or I’ll add some like keyboard. I usually do the bass last.

I have to have the drums. Drums is actually usually second. I, I need that beat with the, with the riff to, to really set, you know, the, the vocals how I wanna do it. Vocals are usually around third track for me, cuz that’s my favorite part is, is with the writing. And then, um, then just it kinda all takes shape and if, if I like something, I’ll, I’ll move something. I try not to want to ha— I think “I Can’t Breathe” was one that I completely had recorded and then rerecorded because there was a timing issue that was bothering me. And that’s like the first song I’ve ever done that to. I’m, I’m really impatient when it comes to that. Like, I don’t wanna have to start over, you know? Cause I, I feel like if uh, there’s something I really like, I’ll never get that recorded the same way again. Um, so it was really hard for me to make that decision, but I did it and I think it turned out a little bit better.

You said you’ve been feeling the musical itch lately.

Patrick: Mm-hmm.<affirmative>. I have.

What are you working on now? What can we expect coming out of the Hinky Punks or the Dudley Dursleys or the Broom Closet Diaries or the Potter Addicts?

Patrick: That is a great question. Um, life is really busy for me at the moment. Work is really busy. My wife is in nursing school, really busy, and we have two young ones and, um, we try to make sure that they have the time and attention that they need so that, you know, they feel validated and, and loved and, and you know, with her nursing and I, I work up at Zion National Park and it’s about an hour commute and I go up there, come back, it’s about a 10-11 hour day that I’m gone. You know, so I, I really try to focus my time and attentions to the people that need it. Not saying I don’t love all of you, but you know, uh, those kids, yeah, they, they, uh, they need their dad at at the moment. But when I think when, when my wife, uh, finishes up her, her nursing school, I think that’s gonna be the time where I kind of take another stab at the Hinky Punks.

What I’m hearing is that your kids are the right age to start a new Blibbering Humdingers-style, second generation… They’re big enough to hold a guitar.

Patrick: My son has a guitar, my son plays piano. Um, definitely can, you know, we we try to get them musically inclined early. I think music is just, is so profound in a child’s learning. Uh, I mean I think every kid should take piano. I mean, you’re, you’re learning… you’re learning equations, you’re learning language, you’re learning, you’re opening your mind to the possibilities of of, of what can be through music. I mean that’s just… there, there’s nothing, there’s no better teacher than music. Um, and that and in all aspects of life/ And you know, we, we do jam a little bit. He’ll like play a little pluck something on a piano and I’ll bring out my guitar and we do maybe, we’ll, we’ll do a little duet here now. And he actually has a pretty good voice too. My older son, he can, he can hold a pitch. So it’s definitely a possibility.

So maybe there will be some more plural Hinky Punks.

Patrick: There. You you got it! Hey… Hunter, my youngest would definitely be the drummer cuz that’s just his personality… Yeah, I can see that happening. That would be the dream come true right there.

Oops, it’s time for our final music break! Here’s “The Wrock Snob Song” from Wrock Snob: The Opera.

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That was “The Wrock Snob Song” from Wrock Snob: The Opera, “Sorted” by Harry Slaughter, and “Beans” from RiddleTM [lyrics].

And here’s the last of my chat with Patrick.

Thank you so much for talking with me today. It’s been fun to get a little glimpse of the whole rainbow of the Hinky Punks experience.

Patrick: Yeah, there’s not a lot known about me out there, so it’s good to have that out there. I did a couple interviews a long time ago, but who knows if they even exist anymore. Um, and who knows what even I said. The answers could have been completely different. I hope <laugh> hope they weren’t different. Um, but yeah, it’s, it’s been a amazing pleasure. I I do, I truly, uh, appreciate the opportunity.

Well, let’s get a little more Hinky Punks exposure out there to encourage a little more Hinky Punks music.

Patrick: There it is. Yep.

Where can WZRD listeners find you and all of your music and projects online?

Patrick: Uh, Spotify, Apple Music, anywhere you can stream your music, basically. We’ll be on there. I do have a… I do have a BandCamp page, but by all means, if, if you already have a streaming service, go listen to it for free. I think I set it up where you don’t have to pay anything. If not, that’s shame on me. But if you wanna go download it, you know, there it is. But listen to it on Spotify. If you have Spotify or Apple.

And no other platforms? no Instagram, Twitter, website…

Patrick: Yeah. If you guys wanna be kind and following my Twitter, it’s, it’s sad. Um, it’s, it’s, it’s uh, HinkyPunx with a X and same with my Instagram. And I believe, same with my Facebook is all the same HinkyPunx with an X.

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And now, here’s The Hinky Punks!

Patricks: So, I chose to play “I Can’t Breathe” a) because it’s my most popular song on Spotify and 2) because I’m recovering from strep throat and I think this is probably the only song that I can get out. So, I chose this song and I hope you love it.